Shooting Baboons: A Story

If a man with a gun goes to shoot baboons near the edge of a forest, the baboons will see him coming, hide in the forest and not come out until he is seen to go away.

If the first man hides and a second man with a gun joins him, and then one of them walks away, the baboons will stay hidden and not come out of the forest. They know that there is still a man hiding with a gun .

The same is true if two, three, four or possibly five men join the first man and the same, or a smaller, number of men go away. The baboons stay hidden, they know that at least one man is still hiding.

However if six men with guns join the first one and then six of them ostentatiously walk away, after a while the baboons will come out of the forest and can be shot by the man they have failed to accounted for.


When a second man joins the first man and then one of them walks away, the baboons can calculate that one man remains hidden, they can subtract 1 from 2 and get the right answer that there is 1 left.

The baboons can also get the right answer with 1 plus (2, 3, 4 and possibly 5) minus (2, 3, 4 or 5 respectively).

It is therefore thought that baboons can do small number arithmetic with numbers up to about six, so have a number system something like none, one, two, three, four, five, six and many (more than six).

But when six men join the first man and then six  men walk away the baboon’s number system lets them down. This is because one plus six results in many, and many minus many gives none, the wrong answer. So it seems to the baboons that all the hunters have gone away and it is safe to come out of the forest.

Small Number Arithmetic

The diagram below illustrates the problem with small number arithmetic, using a slightly more restricted number system consisting of none, one, two, three and many (more than 3).

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The system works well for addition, exhibiting closure (each operation results in a unambiguous instance of the number system itself). So one plus two gives three, two plus three gives many and many plus many gives many etc.

As baboons can apparently find out to their cost, problems arise with subtraction. Subtracting anything except none (one, two, three or many) from many is always problematic. In particular taking many from many seems most likely to result in none but in reality could also result in one, two, three or many depending on the unknowable “real” values of many.

It seems that the baboons are applying the simple rule “same minus same always results in none”. So one minus one, two minus two, three minus three and many minus many all give a result of none.


There is no evidence of anyone hunting baboons like this. The story was probably just made up to illustrate the limitations of languages that do not have words or a number system that can represent all numerosities.

There are human languages that use small number arithmetic and have a word like many to represent large numerosoties. (Butterworth et al., 2008) Isolated hunter gatherer cultures seem to have little need for an elaborate number system in their languages but tend to acquire them quite quickly upon contact and trade with the outside world.

The story also suggests an experimental technique for establishing the upper numerosity discrimination limits of animals and pre-verbal children, using an ‘expectancy violation technique’. See What Counts and  Otto Koehler.

Unneccessary Expansion

The problem caused by a lack of necessary number words is superficially similar to the apparent order in which languages “acquire” colour words. Some languages only have two colour words, cold and warm, corresponding to monochrome, black and white. Others have black and white plus red. Yet others add yellow then green or green then yellow, then blue, brown and finally purple, pink, orange or grey. (Berlin and Kay, 1969)

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Colour Hierarchy Diagram (after Berlin and Kay 1969)

The diagram above works from left to right (following the arrows and plus signs). If a language has a particular colour word then it will also have all the colour words to the left of that word. So if a language has a word for blue, then it will also have words for yellow, green, red, black and white. The diagram also indicates that if a language has a word for say pink, then it may, or may not, have a word for purple, but it will have colour words for brown, blue etc.

The colour words in a language provide foci, or prototypes, for the colour experience but say nothing about the boundaries between these colour foci.

This sequence corresponds fairly closely to the order in which children acquire colour words and is therefore a cultural example of the discredited evolutionary theory of recapitulation. This is summarised in Ernst Haekel’s phrase “ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny”, suggesting that as embryos develop into adults, they go through stages that resemble the evolution of their species.


Thanks again to my brother-in-law Tony Payne who told me the baboon story, although he cannot remember where he first heard it. See also Beau Geste Hypothesis and Cafetières, Disorder, Chaos and Anarchy


Berlin, B. and Kay, P. (1969) Basic Color Terms: Their Universality and Evolution. Berkeley: University of California Press.

Butterworth, B., Reeve, R., Reynolds, F., & Lloyd, D. (2008). Numerical thought with and without words: Evidence from indigenous Australian children. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the USA, 105, 13179-13184.

About Graham Shawcross

Architect PhD student at Edinburgh University Interested in order, rhythm and pattern in Architectural Design
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2 Responses to Shooting Baboons: A Story

  1. Phil Sykes says:

    Illustration of limited number syatems -Blackadder: Right Baldrick, let’s try again shall we? This is called adding. If I have two beans, and then I add two more beans, what do I have?
    Baldrick: Some beans.
    Blackadder: Yes… and no. Let’s try again shall we? I have two beans, then I add two more beans. What does that make?
    Baldrick: A very small casserole.
    Blackadder: Baldrick, the ape creatures of the Indus have mastered this. Now try again. One, two, three, four. So how many are there?
    Baldrick: Three.
    Blackadder: What?
    Baldrick: …and that one.
    Blackadder: Three and that one. So if I add that one to the three what will I have?
    Baldrick: Oh. Some beans.
    Blackadder: Yes. To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people, wasn’t it?

    Sorry to debase your facinating research and thougtful insights. I just felt that there was a referece missing.
    Phil Sykes

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